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washington, where a pizzeria had a scare. we will examine the misinformation. welcome to our viewers on public television in america and around the globe. shakenar, elections have up the system and sent politicians and message. today italy is the one dealing with the consequences. prime minister matteo renzi asked for approval of his constitutional reform program and was soundly rejected. it spells the end of his time in office and plunges the country into uncertainty, political and economic. from rome, here is our europe editor. reporter: the reaction was instinctive if not entirely tuneful. as soon as they knew they won last night, no voters demanded the resignation of their prime minister, matteo renzi.
he was listening. the first italian premier, he claimed, to take political responsibility. pm renzi: i lost, and i say loud and clear, even if i have a lump in my throat, i wasn't able to win. long live italy. good luck to all of us. reporter: dramatic exit, stage right. except it wasn't. this evening matteo renzi drove to meet italy's president and was told not to pack his bags just yet. he will stay at least a week until the annual budget is passed in parliament. cabinet members seemed a little dazed by it all. >> the constitutional reform has been rejected by the people. how could we stay in this format with this government? reporter: it is an inelegant end
to a premiership that began with such promise and so many promises. change italyd to and its sluggish politics. he was invited by president obama to be a guest of honor in washington. president obama: i think matteo embodies a new generation of leadership not just for italy but also for europe. reporter: it did not quite work out that way. hobnobbing with the privilege abroad helped to foment opposition at home. when we took to the streets of rome today, referendum no voters told us they had rejected their prime minister, not just his reforms. music to the ears of mr. renzi's political rivals in the popular, and populist, five star movement. >> now we are asking for the
election as soon as possible. reporter: is this the beginning of a new era in italy? >> i hope. i hope. i hope. reporter: all this political turmoil, of course, front-page news here and across europe. but here, italy's beating political heart is very much business as usual. that is because italians are used to changing prime minister. they have had 63 prime ministers since the end of the second world war, 4 times as many as we have had in the u.k. italy is used to muddling through. but of course, this country does not exist in a vacuum. key eu player, and the third-largest economy in the eurozone. whatever happens here has a big impact elsewhere. and a crisis is looming in italy's banks, especially this one, the country's third-biggest. bank failures would hit hard here and abroad.
in italy, looking good on the outside is paramount. but scratch the beautiful surface, and you will see problems weighing down italians and worrying the european neighbors. katty: for more on the impact of this vote, i spoke earlier with a former state department official. brexit, trump, italy, is that the sequence we are looking at? is that what happened here, the populist wave on rome's shores? >> it is a combination of protest, first and foremost, against the reforms that matteo renzi was promoting, and the second was the italian state of the economy and the fact that there has been no growth in italy for almost 20 years, high unemployment. and the third was in some ways a rejection within his party, his methods, his very confident and
egocentric methods ended up being his undoing. katty: too simple to say this was an anti-european vote the way brexit was? >> it was. this really did have to do with internal italian politics, economy, and changing reforms. if matteo renzi had focused more on reforming structurally the economy and lowering the unemployment figure more substantially, he might have been given political room. but he chose to make political reform and reaffirmation of himself as prime minister his goal, and the voters really rejected that. katty: what happens now? italy is used to political confusion, but this is a different era for italy. bringing in somebody who is a comedian from a populist party. >> that was in some way the backlash of the reforms. the five star movement is becoming the most popular political party in italy. in the reforms that renzi was proposing, it would have given a
bonus to the majority party in the next general election in italy. now? appens markets have priced in a likely no vote, but we are in an enormous period of uncertainty. renzi has been asked to stay another weekend pass -- another week and pass the 2017 budget, but the concentration is on the banks. the third-largest italian bank needs to be recapitalized to the tune of 5 billion euros. katty: despite markets being fairly stable today, there are still economic concerns -- >> they are stable, but if they don't get a recapitalization plan going for the third-largest bank privately, they will have to look at bail-in options. katty: what does this mean for the eu more broadly? >> it is another thread that gets pulled in this fraying fabric. look at what today held. the supreme court and u.k. looking at triggering article 50. eurozone finance ministers meeting on the greek economic
bailout. and of course, uncertainty in italy. the drumbeat still goes on. it is very worrisome. katty: thanks very much for coming in. there have been clashes in east aleppo as government forces continued their offensive to retake rebel-held territory. families loyal to president assad are returning to their homes after years of war. our chief international correspondent lyse doucet has this special report. lyse: homecoming. the family is back. it has been 4 years. the youngest wants you to know it. the government's green buses are bringing families. a week ago, these neighborhoods were seized back from rebel fighters. for the family, it is a victory parade. "i kiss your soil, syria," she cries. "we kneel before you, bashar."
always loyal to their president, they feel they owe him everything. soldiers join the celebration at their front door. this grandmother heads straight to her favorite room. "our kitchen was amazing," she tells me. "it was the envy of the neighborhood." this girl goes into her old room. >> i was born here, raised here. now we are back, and we will live here again. lyse: but it won't be easy. her father tells me they had felt threatened here. most people supported the rebels. you can't live together? never hav?
just across the way, we meet a family who chose to stay when the rebels took over four years ago. >> i am like an oak tree. if i leave my home, i will die. the idea of leaving and being a refugee in my own country killed me. lyse: but it has been so hard. you can see it in her face. "we have no electricity," she says. "no water, no bread." these teenagers show me their vegetable patch. it helped them through an army siege. it wasn't much, but better than nothing. when the army moved in, everyone was taken temporarily to a camp. this is what happens to their home when they were away. they cannot say for sure who or what caused it.
a cruel blow after surviving 4 years of war, and that goes on in neighboring districts. you can hear it. the stories we heard in this one neighborhood are stories we acrossre -- you hear syria. people returning to their homes, old lives, and communities. even though this war seems to be coming to an end in some places, syrians know just how hard it will be to live together again. street after street of utter ruin, proof of the ferocity of the battle that has been, of how much is now gone. so many syrians can never go home. lyse doucet, bbc news. katty: really is not much of a homecoming, is it?
the white house says u.s. officials have been reassuring chinese counterparts that america's one china policy is intact. the announcement comes after donald trump spoke with tawiwa'' taiwan's leader. china sees the island as a renegade province and officials have declined comment on trump's twitter tirade. katty: china's trade and currency practices were a big part of his campaign. the question now is how might beijing respond to the new approach. i spoke about it short time ago with a fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace. if you take the combination of a call with a chinese leader and the twitter tirades against china's trade policies -- what is the reaction in beijing today? >> i think they are beginning to realize that the new coming administration is likely to take
a hard line on china, whether it is in the economic sphere, its position on china's more assertive policies in the region, whether they, for example, would favor a greater presence that taiwan has in international agencies and economic and potentially military assistance. i think the president-elect has signaled that there is going to be some change coming. katty: you know the chinese government well. what do you think they're likely reaction is going to be? >> they would like to give him the benefit of the doubt. there is always a period before and after elections when the incoming team takes a hard line and then softens over time. katty: are you suggesting this is no real news -- >> historically that has been the case. i think this is going to be different.
previousdifferent from administrations. i think the phone call was pretty much deliberate and thought through. and i think the president-elect signaled this will be a different kind of situation. katty: there are americans who voted for mr. trump who say it is about time. they have taken our jobs, devalued their currency, and they are glad to see an american leader stand up to beijing. >> i think he is reflecting his support, and the question is, what are the longer-term intentions. some of these ideas and policies he has been talking about, others have commented that they are based upon false ideas and retaliation could occur. katty: what could the retaliation be? china has been trying to be relatively supportive of america's intentions, for example, with north korea. that has become a little more of a chinese policy. they would like to encourage
a stronger economic presence in the united states globally, even though president-elect trump has decided not to go forward with tpp. china is proposing a free-trade agreement with the whole east asia region that would be inclusive of the united states. they would like to foster stronger foreign investment relations. katty: you are saying they could reverse these policies? >> they could reverse them. katty: do you think they will? >> i think they will wait and see. if there is a stronger, harder approach from the united states, they will look at retaliatory actions. major companies like apple, general motors, a large share of their profits come from their operations in china. these are things that china is going to look at very carefully. katty: thanks very much for coming in. fascinating. it is going to be interesting to watch. today the death toll from a warehouse fire in oakland,
california, climbed to 36 people, and officials expected it to go further. flames ripped through the building during a dance party on friday night, trapping many inside. they are attempting to sift through the rubble but potential dangers are making it a slow process. reporter: in the charred remains of this building, they are searching for certainty, trying to confirm news both dreaded and vital. the firefighters have been working around the clock, pausing only when they were in mortal danger. >> we are no closer to finding the cause and we believe that the number of fire fatalities will increase. we feel very strongly that we have a section of the building that was the area of origin of where the fire started. reporter: the tragedy has touched communities throughout the city. in this classroom in oakland, teachers are trying to help six-year-old students come to terms with the loss of their teacher. sara hoda was 30 years old. friends say she was a gentle person who loved the children.
>> it is definitely hard. we are here to support our students, creating spaces for them to be able to talk with her teachers and share their feelings. reporter: and more faces of the young people who died are now emerging. most were in their 20's and 30's. they include students, musicians, and artists. travis hough was a member of a local band. his family says there are no words for their loss. as the horror sinks in, questions mount. many people say they knew the warehouse was a death trap, and the city was investigating. online, many people are directing their anger at the man who helped run the building known as the ghost ship, derick ion almena. a criminal inquiry is now underway into the deadliest fire in the united states for more than a decade. james cook, bbc news.
katty: you are watching "bbc world news america." still to come, there are more places to get your news than ever before, but fake stories pose a real danger. we take a look at the situation. new zealand's prime minister has unexpectedly step down after eight years in office. he won three consecutive elections and says he has never been a career politician. reporter: representing a small country on a big stage, he spent years trying to secure new zealand's place in global alliances. he decided to quit just weeks after seeing the -- transpacific partnership deal he helped to build full apart. but it is a test of domestic politics which he says has led to his departure, deciding he had nothing left to go beyond next year's elections. on a familyhink
basis and a lot of other reasons i could commit much beyond the next election. i've got no option but to do it now. . have come too far i am not going to do that. reporter: is it years in office brought challenges. the recent earthquakes, and the christchurch quake in 2011, called for a calm hand and a clear plan. he helped rebuild the new zealand economy after the downturn, although critics argue it has underperformed. inevitably the focus has already shifted to his successor, the deputy prime minister happy to get mr. key's endorsement. i suppose, typical of the measure of the man that he decided to leave the prime minister should on his own terms -- prime ministership on his own terms.
a surprise to all of us, but doing so graciously. reporter: mr. key's replacement will be chosen next week. he has already secured something very rare in politics, making his own position on when to leave the stage -- decision on when to leave the stage. katty: a pizza restaurant here in washington was the scene of a bizarre incident over the weekend, when so-called fake news had very real implications. police were called to comet ping-pong after a man with an assault rifle claimed to be investigating conspiracy theories about hillary clinton running a child sex ring, which had been widely shared on social media. he fired the gun and was taken into custody. no one was injured, but the incident does show where a lot of people are getting their news.
thieves : these and crooks, the media. those people back there, the most dishonest people. when the media does what they are doing now, they are making -- rigging the system. >> i don't trust the national media. if you want to be sure, take a position 180 degrees opposite, you will be close to the truth. reporter: for trump and his supporters, the election was a fight against the establishment, political correctness, and the media. >> it is a battle of the heart and a battle of the mind. it is us versus the legacy media. >> they seem shocked that the silent majority has awakened. >> there is no truth in journalism. it is dead. reporter: the media wasn't exactly popular even before the 2016 campaign. americans' trust sunk to historically low levels. >> what you say should be the news, not your twist on the news. reporter: the biggest skeptics,
like this group in knoxville, a mixture of students, retirees, and local politicians, believe the mainstream media no longer sees america as they do. >> no one is telling these cupcakes on university campuses that you cannot just take the popular vote. reporter: take the protests on hate crimes. >> protesters are marching because the cupcakes are so to dissatisfied with the election, they are setting fires. that is hate crimes. anarchists, the socialists, the communists that make up the democratic party, we have to feel concern for them. reporter: where do they get their news instead? >> you have to get it off the internet. the angry patriot was one. breitbart was most trusted for me. >> we use facebook, we talked to thousands of people. >> i get it from drudge, i get it from twitter. reporter: they don't care that
the mainstream media claim that these outlets pedal misogynistic and racist conspiracy theories. to them it only proves how out of touch the media is. but this disconnect between the media and so-called real america is not the only issue. twitter and facebook have become valuable spaces for people to share ideas and stories from around the world. but anything can be posted without editorial guidance or fact checking. posts from news organizations are mixed in with a stream of opinions and, increasingly, fake news stories. >> whether it is television, facebook, breitbart, the most important thing is for the person who is listening to be educated. you can tell if they are slanted or not. reporter: what someone considers biased will depend on their perspective. >> we are actually thinking for ourselves. reporter: and in a deeply divided america, sometimes the two sides cannot even agree on what is fact and fiction. >> i don't know that there is an
honest, genuine, unbiased news source available to any of us. ideologically, you go to the new source that is going to report one incident the way you want to hear it. views, orit news, fake news? it is worth knowing the difference. before we go, the turner prize has just been awarded to helen martin. the organizers describe the british artists work as inviting viewers to become archaeologists of our own time. includeallations everyday objects, coins, shoes, to produce collages. her work has been described as junk sculptures. congratulations to helen martin. it is a great price to win.
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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight, a dangerous search for answers among the blackened ruins of a warehouse fire in oakland, california where at least 36 people died, and digging for more remains goes on. then, president-elect donald trump's team expands as dr. ben carson is tapped for secretary of housing and urban development. our politics monday team on the latest in the transition plus, questions about the trump approach to china. and, we sit down with former british prime minister tony blair, to ask why he's pushing a movement in the political center. >> it's really about linking up people who looat